Following our interview with self-proclaimed defacement crew and Unicode kiddies World of Hell, the vnunet.com postbag has been overflowing with mail. And some of the letters are positively smoking... 'Wannabe-journalist' James Middleton gets toasted by the flames.
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I read with disgust your interview with these immature kids. I liken these idiots to graffiti artists. You seem to almost put the blame on sys admins for not stopping them, but let's put this in perspective!
The world is a worse place because of all the CRIMINALS like these. We have to lock and alarm our houses and cars, can't leave a window open, can't leave anything set down without fear of it being stolen, can't erect a fence without spray paint, and now can't put a website up without defacement. It makes me so angry.
I am a web security specialist and my role in Windows2000/IIS5 space is to nail it down bullet-proof to protect against these idiots. I would far rather meet them in an alley and deface them personally. Because of them, it is now a nightmare to implement ecommerce and the whole world is suffering due to tech stock crashes, falls in confidence etc.
You should not entertain or give them any media coverage, you only encourage them!
It seems to me that IT personnel could do with learning about what makes a hacker and how do they do it. Your article on World of Hell was very enlightening.
Although no longer a full time IT professional - too old! - I often get asked about hacking. Are there useful books or other material on the market?
Technical geniuses? Not
Looking at their current defacements, what do we see?
NT, NT, NT, NT, NT, NT, 2k, NT, NT, NT, NT, NT with a single Linux box thrown in. Errr...
Nineteen NT defacements, two Windows 2000 defacements, and one Linux defacement this month. And they berate other groups as "lame" for hacking Windows NT boxes?
Let's get some real insight as to what kind of technical geniuses these guys are. Let's look at another interview (this one by no means 'exclusive') and one of the questions asked of them:
Q: Can you explain what a three-way-handshake is?
A: I have no idea what so ever, heh.
I'm just dumbfounded at both the validity of this article and the sheer retardedness of the questions asked. I can't even put into words how just incredibly BAD the author of this article is and, even worse, how bad the editor is for allowing this to be published! So I will just allow the article to speak for itself and put in just a wee bit of commentary (chuckle).
> I just hack because I'm bored. I try to equal out my
> internet time evenly between pr0n [surfing for porn] and ./hax0rin
This is the crap being published nowadays? Hey dude... news flash... REAL girls are MUCH better...
> World of Hell only seems to carry out a few defacements a week. Any
> particular reason behind that, or are you guys busy doing other
Yes, James [author], they have to finish their spelling homework and then their mommies and daddies need them to do their weekly chores for their five dollars allowance, and then after all that they need their nappies changed and then it's time for din-din and then its beddy-bye-time!
Hey James, would you describe yourself as the wannabe-journalist-looking-for-any-article-your-little-mind-can-think-up that you REALLY are, or a professional journalist with a decent amount of integrity who knows when you just put together a shitty article and you are being made a fool of by those 'elite' (l33t) hackers?
For more insight into what it is to be an amateur journalist looking to put ANYTHING out if it will create Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in the minds of the readers, as well as make a name for himself, keep reading:
> World of Hell has claimed some defacements on *nix boxes as well as
> NT. Is it true that on the hacker underground, breaking into Linux or
> Unix boxes earns you higher respect from other hackers?
"ON the hacker underground"? (Editor, you need a grammar checker.) James, I'm sure you've claimed some rather decent articles (this is not your best work, I hope!) but is it true that ON the world of journalism, writing decent articles with good research and lots of integrity behind them would gain you higher respect from your readers and other journalists? The jury is still out on that one!
> Rubix: If you can hack *nix then you are regarded as 'leet' on the
> underground. If you deface an unknown NT box, you get flamed. I have
> only ever defaced an NT box if it is on a big domain. Whenever I have
> 'owned' a nobody site, it has been running a form of *nix.
What a dork. Hey, Rubix, given the amount of exploits out there for *nix (let's assume Linux for a moment), don't you think the only way you'd gain some respect is by doing something challenging - say, hacking an OpenBSD box? Hmmm... Jury?
No, James. *nix is not synonymous with good security. Everything has its flaws. *nix + a good administrator is synonymous with good security. Even NT with a VERY good administrator who really knows his stuff can pose a challenge to a fair amount of "hackers". Likewise, a Red Hat out-of-the-box install can be easy pickings for the worst of the "hackers".
> Rubix: Well, some of the admins have emailed me asking how I got in
> etc, and I told them how to fix the flaw. Then they asked me to audit
> their machine. Which I did.
Yeah, SURE they asked you to audit the box. Hey, people, you gonna have someone who defaces websites for fun audit your box and possibly cause more havoc, or are you gonna go to a more professional group/corporation?
Thank you, that will be all.
The Intelligence Network
World of Hell rocks
As a *NIX sys admin, it sucks to be hacked. But if someone is going to hack, then it's cool that they leave a link to the patch and don't trash the system. No one's perfect. We're all tryin'.
Thanks for the info. I just hate the little ****ers that wreak havoc after they crack.
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