06 Nov 2009
Disputes about Microsoft's anti-competitive browser bundling are still in full swing, even though the software giant said in July that it will no longer shield Internet Explorer (IE) from competition in Europe by bundling it with Windows.
Three competing browser developers have been working with the European Union's Competition Commission on the investigation into Microsoft's browser practices, and have now said that the firm's proposal to offer a ballot system for Windows users to select their default browser from a list is not good enough.
One of the problems is that Microsoft will offer the browser ballot from within IE, which Opera Software argues makes the other browsers look less important.
"The proposal on the table could work, but it needs some changes," said Håkon Wium Lie, Opera Software chief technology officer.
"We think it's important that the ballot screen is impartial. Therefore, we ask that the ballot screen is not run inside an IE window that has IE logos on it. In an election, you wouldn't accept that one candidate has his logo in the corner of the ballot, and it shouldn't be accepted in the ballot screen either.
"Likewise, we don't think voters should be warned against their candidate of choice when they vote. We are therefore asking that warning messages should not be shown to users who request non-IE browsers."
Opera Software initiated the European Commission's (EC's) investigation into Microsoft's practices almost two years ago. Google and Mozilla joined the investigation in February.
Mozilla has put forward additional changes that it believes should be made to Microsoft's current proposals.
"A few specific changes would bring the ballot much closer to the EC's stated goals of eliminating bias," said a Mozilla spokesman.
"In particular, we believe that rotating browser placement so that no browser has an advantaged or disadvantaged position, and reducing the many references to IE on the ballot page, are each important improvements."
Google declined to comment on whether it wanted further changes to Microsoft's proposals, although reports suggest that the search giant agrees with the points raised by Opera Software.
The Microsoft proposals gained EC approval early last month, which was thought at the time to signal that the investigation was drawing to a close. However, now that Mozilla and Opera Software have raised more complaints, the battle could continue.
Under the agreement, all Windows PCs sold in the European Economic Area for the next five years will contain the proposed ballot screens.
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EPIC FAIL
This is quite lame. While I agree with Microsoft getting rid of IE from Windows because of the inherent security advantages it is still their operating system. They have the right to put IE in it. And even though I am an Opera user myself I do not think that bitching about getting rid of IE from Windows will do any good. Probably more harm too in the long run. Instead if a third-party browser is better than Internet Exploder (which often is the case) then let them show off by building a better browser instead of bitching about how Microsoft is spoiling the competition.
Posted by: Crocodile 06 Dec 2009
Absolutely!
M$ needs to be made accountable for the way they have behaved. Apart from underdone software that has always cried for a new upgrade being that it doesn't work, the fact that M$ has continued its monopolising behaviour despite the legal court results displays their true nature or is that just Bill & Steve. M$ needs to be stopped & shunted back a few billion to let them know they can't continue behaving the way they have. Evil is a fairly weak description of their abuse over the last 10 years or so.
Posted by: Rex Alfie Lee 10 Nov 2009
browser wars = silly wars
Lets fight over spilt milk... When was the last time you heard about ie being installed on Linux or Mac OS? it cant be done. but when it comes to MS you guys fight an argue. Face it MS set the standard, its a fact. if they keep producing 'vista' type os'es then surely they will loose the market share, and no longer be the standard setters. but facts are facts and this fact has not changed. i just read an article saying that people dont care about the operating system anymore, and you know thats pretty true for the younger generation. me i use windows, linux and mac, so i really dont care. My dad on the other hand hates updating app's like office. but then you guys dont give him a choice. he gets documents he cant read in old versions, and consequently has to make the change. why not argue about windows media player? i mean its not like i cant download another media player. lastly windows is a microsoft product. therefore they should have the choice what browser they bundle with it. not opera, or google or mozzila. if the public chooses to buy windows i can guarantee they did not buy it because it comes with internet explorer, but rather because thats what came pre-installed. Mac's are just too expensive, and i cant say ive seen a demo pc for sale with linux. if you want to argue about choice, equalize the choice of available operating systems in retail outlets. browser wars = pathetic/silly/unrealistic wars = WASTING TIME & MONEY.
Posted by: Daniel Morgan 08 Nov 2009
pointless
No one cares about the N versions of Windows coming out, everyone will attempt to get the NON-N version with full blown ie. To Opera: try winning on your own merits, and focus on what makes you different from ie rather than constantly being a bitch about it. You arent benefitting the consumer, or anyone else other than yourself.
Posted by: Pimpin de Shorty 08 Nov 2009