08 May 2010
We're going to get hammered on this one. Nothing divides science fiction (SF) fans like the best authors. Nevertheless, Shaun and I have put on our thickest skins and decided to give it a shot. Buckle in, because this is going to be our longest Top 10 ever.
SF writers have played a key role in inspiring research and eventual technological development. There have been numerous devices that existed in the mind of an SF writer before they even made it into the engineering departments, but more importantly a good story can inspire something entirely new. This is why if you find a computer geek you've almost inevitably got an SF fan on your hands.
One thing you won't find on the list is anything from the realms of fantasy. Fantasy books often get lumped in with SF and it's more than a little irritating. SF deals with the possible and sets specific constraints on the writer. Fantasy, to my mind, is just an excuse to develop alternative realities with no reference to the real world.
There were a lot of names that didn't make it onto the list. As I'll mention later, I would have liked to see Rob Grant and Doug Naylor for their creation of Red Dwarf. Roger Zelazny would also be on my list, as would Olaf Stapledon, Harry Harrison, Orson Scott Card and Jerry Pournell. Shaun too had a list as long as his arm, but we had to make the cuts somewhere and it was very hard.
[Update - 12 hours later] OK, before you write in we did make one glaring error: no Philip K Dick. Neither Shaun and I are particular fans of his work but the man's contribution is undeniable. I'd put him in around number five - Shaun may disagree - so we'll publish a video next week to apologise and discuss.]
All Top 10 lists will be subjective by nature, but this is one that will no doubt stir up a lot of feeling about who is and isn't on the list, mostly angry feelings, I imagine. As always, we welcome comments about who we missed and what it says about our mental capacity. Just try to leave our mums out of it this time (Mother's Day is coming up, after all).
Honourable
Mention: Gene Roddenberry
Shaun Nichols: I had a long and contentious battle with Iain
over whether to include television and movie writers on the list. Among the
names to get axed were Joss Whedon, the Wachowski siblings and the team of Rob
Grant and Doug Naylor.
One name that I stood fast on, however, was Gene Roddenberry. Faced with my own compelling arguments (and the threat of an army of angry Trekkies laying siege to the site) Iain relented and Roddenberry was made an Honourable Mention.
A former Los Angeles police officer, Roddenberry wrote the original Star Trek series and played a key role in the development of its many movie adaptations and spin-offs.
The result was the establishment of a sub-culture devoted to the Star Trek universe and Roddenberry's establishment as a geek icon.
Iain Thomson: I still think this should have gone to the boys from Red Dwarf. Star Trek wasn't that good, after all. The first series was more of a western in space that displayed some of the worst of Hollywood's costume designs while giving William Shatner an excuse to snog aliens, so long as they were humanoid enough.
Don't even get me started on the endless Next Generation spin-offs, which were yet another flaw in the space/time continuum episodes that repeat endlessly today.
Nevertheless, Roddenberry deserves kudos for his gift to the genre of SF. Star Trek has inspired millions to the ideas behind good SF, even if some of the show's followers are a few flying buttresses short of a cathedral.
You only have to look at the way an entire subculture has built up around the show to see its power. There are now more speakers of Klingon than some native American languages, and university courses are devoted to the study of the show's themes, although one suspects that the graduates of such a course can be seen asking if you want fries with that.
Roddenberry also scripted, and fought to retain, the first black female actor in a serious prime time role (even if the women's costumes were about as practical as a chocolate teapot) and also came up with, or at least popularised, some ideas that have inspired the real world.
I suspect that the inventors of automatic doors, clamshell mobile phones and wearable microphones all have a debt to pay to the show.
Honourable
Mention: Charles Stross
Iain Thomson: I was handed a copy of Charles Stross's
Glasshouse after a particularly good dinner in Putney, and picked it up
the next day to distract me from my crushing hangover.
By page 50 the headache was forgotten and I was getting the same 'hairs up on the back of the neck' feeling I'd had when Neuromancer first seared its way into my consciousness.
Stross is one of those new writers who really gives me hope for the field of SF. He takes concepts and stretches them in new and unusual ways to make you really think about what you're reading.
What would be the effect of a worm on a society based on online personae? How much would an imprisoned society give, wittingly or otherwise, for material paradise, and what would it cost? Stross even takes on the hallowed world of Roger Zelazny's Amber epic and gives it a tech fix.
He also has that great writer's talent of the opening line that sucks you in whether you like it or not. Iain Banks set the bar high with It was the day my grandmother exploded and I'm still fond of George Orwell's It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.
But for a SF novel The day war was declared, a rain of telephones fell clattering to the cobblestones from the skies above Novy Petrograd takes some beating.
If he doesn't work himself into an early grave, I suspect Stross will become one of the greats of the genre. He understands the hard and soft aspects of technology, has a swarm of interesting ideas and is mature enough to sort out the fads from the fictionally realistic. British SF has a bright future with people like this at the helm.
Shaun Nichols: One of the reasons I was secretly dreading this list was that I knew that, by the end of it, I would have a huge list of books to hunt down and purchase. We are not even out of the honourable mentions and I've already got a sizeable list going just from the works of Stross.
Not every SF author has a great love for technology. I suspect this is in part why we have so many works in the genre that deal with the horrors that we will bring upon ourselves through perceived scientific progress.
Stross, however, has a great interest in technology and the chops to back it up. He has a degree in computer science and for a time wrote a column on Linux, while maintaining an excellent blog and releasing some work under Creative Commons.
As Iain noted, Stross is a relative newcomer to the genre, but his ability to craft a story, coupled with a prodigious knack for churning out copy, leaves me optimistic that great works of SF will be coming for some time.
So far, Stross has shown incredible promise as an author and I hope to be shelling out cash for his books for some time.
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Olaf Stapledon-----An Original
How is it possible to leave out the originator of so many mainstream themes that have been imitated so successfully..
Posted by: John Riberts 30 Apr 2011
Michael Crichton
How the hell can they forget Michael Crichton, many of who's creations have been adopted into blockbuster movies
Posted by: ssg 24 May 2010
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Top 10 science fiction writers Wordsmiths who inspired the minds of mankind Only 10? Maybe 100 next time! 99.999% of published Wordsmythes who by the dim flicker of that evens single iconic candle pound away at the keys of their plastic and steel anvil forging the currency of our times from those prolix bar stocks of diction and hopefully come away with that bright polished edge that will carve out their own private niche. Only 82.5 down with balcony au lait overlooking the café of life. 99.999% of published wordsmiths have inspired at least one mind - his own and then one more - the publisher/editor and maybe a reader or two, so that's what 4? 5? I guess that that qualifies as "minds of mankind" plural. A valiant attempt but your toes were in front of the barrel long before the hammer struck the primer. SF is a huge metatopic where you need to stick in some filters for a truly meaningful result. I was able to glean more sources of potential reading pleasure from your readers submissions and pointed comments than from some of the dusty old dons that you held up to the light. But hey a go is a go is a go and you had the nerve to put it out there so good luck with the future. Cheerz M
Posted by: Michael Ferguson 22 May 2010
space opera
You include Stross but not Peter Hamilton - a bit of a mistake i would say ...
Posted by: Sym 16 May 2010
One more.
What about Michael Crichton?
Posted by: Kelly 13 May 2010
Without Frank Herbert...
this list, it has no merit.
Posted by: C.H. 13 May 2010
You really IGNORED
Isaac Asimov, how on Earth could you have forgotten him. Prolific and profound. Met the man on a few occasions, so I know he is a nice guy to boot.
Posted by: Eno-Master 13 May 2010
And Where Was ...
... Larry Niven? I'm 60 and have been reading Sci-Fi since I learned to read, and I've never heard of 3 of your 10 in any way shape or form. Niven has been writing for over 40 years and is arguably (but let's not) the world's greatest "Hard" or Technical Science Fiction. The 6 books in the Ringworld series starting in 1969, should qualify him for inclusion in this list, not to mention the HUGE number of other stories and novels he's written. Just my 2 cents worth ...
Posted by: David Hughes 13 May 2010
Very nicely done
I am hugely amused by the "experts" who don't recognise some names on this list. Anyone who couldn't name a few works by everyone on this list doesn't deserve to be called even mildly interested in SF. I also laughed out loud at suggestions such as David Weber. Good work, chaps.
Posted by: Liam Proven 13 May 2010
Another vote for Larry Niven
Ringword, Neutron Star, Protector. 'nuff said.
Posted by: Richard 13 May 2010
PeterHamilton
Not having Peter Hamilton anywhere in the list is just plain silly. One of the best writers of all time - he just happens to be still alive....
Posted by: Alan Sharkey 12 May 2010
Lester Del Ray?
The old stuff buried in the back of the Library that got us hooked to begin with.
Posted by: Bill Stadler 12 May 2010
Try reading some good SF
David Weber and Andre Norton deserve to be in the top 5 (and Dick, Ellison and Adams do not deserve to be in the top 500).
Posted by: Duncan Macdonald 12 May 2010
Only male writers need apply?
I did not realize that the pond was so wide that neither of you had heard of women writers in SF. You know that type that win Hugo's or Nebula's? Actually, after re-reading your article, I realized that the problem was minds too small to contain the data.
Posted by: mbenwade 12 May 2010
Ridiculous
Some of your added have no major works, and yet, you leave off writers like Dick, Orson Scott Card, Frank Herbert ? etc.. and while some of your included belong, several do not..
Posted by: Chris 12 May 2010
oh just half the list
Oh, that was only the top male SF writers? Where are the women, and please let's not say there weren't any that were influential: Le Guin, Tepper, Norton, McCaffery, Shelley, Cadigan, Murphy, etc. For shame, that you couldn't mention one woman.
Posted by: Doris Lessing 12 May 2010
Hmmmmm
That the article even mentions Star Trek and Red Dwarf in an article about writers posits the strong possibility it's going to be a rather, shall we say, limited, article. Write yourselves a "top 10 pop-culture sci-fi people" to get that angle out of your system. Now, the writers. Have you actually read any Arthur C Clarke or Asimov? They they don't belong in a top 10 list of *writers*, they just weren't very good authors (nor was Tolkein, but hey, that's a different top 10 list). Douglas Adams was a very funny author but sadly he doesn't deserve a place in the top 10 sci-fi writers, there are just too many more compelling writers. I think you've stepped outside your comfort zone with this one boys.
Posted by: steveg 12 May 2010
Can't say that I agree
Well... My knowledge in the area is fairly encyclopeadic (yes I know it's geeky, but then my whole life is geeky), and this list is "bogus" to put it mildly. In large part it is down to the title... The problem is this: are you writing a top-10-of-all-time, or a current top-10-as-enjoyed-by-people-today. Inlcuding the likes of HG Wells and Jules Verne strongly suggests an all-time approach, in which case some of the other choices are bizarre, and vice versa. Many of Gibson's books have not aged well, and Stephenson's output is very spotty. Also, today's writing styles are very different from the likes of Asimov, and I'd suggest that Banks or Reynolds would win hands down with most consumers just because of that. Others who I would have expected to see: David Brin, Alastair Reynolds, Frank Herbert, maybe even Larry Niven (yes his output was variable, but it's hard to argue with Ringworld, the Mote, Integral Trees et al as being great high concept).
Posted by: Kerome 12 May 2010
You forgot!
Jack Vance.
Posted by: James Tiberius 12 May 2010
What an intriguing comment...
"..Where are Robert A Heinlein, John Wyndham or Arthur C Clarke? Isaac Assimov? James Blish?.." Clarke and Asimov are included. And who reads Blish nowadays? Only the top-end geeks who expect the maths behind a 'warp engine' to be explained, the molecular details of Jovian ice chemistry to be presented, and the benefits of modern hydraulics technology to be presented in medieval Latin. Blish is far too intellectual a science-fiction writer to be included in any 'top-ten' list....
Posted by: dodgy geezer 12 May 2010
PKD??????
You left out Philip K. Dick??? Without whom no Gibson, no Snow Crash, no Blade Runner, no cyberpunk... you're obviously not doing the right drugs
Posted by: Bob Dobbs 12 May 2010
wth with this list
Where is the likes of Peter F Hamilton, jesus that list sucked. Not impressed.
Posted by: NoYB 12 May 2010
Old SF is mostly of historical interest.
SF evolves. Most good SF has been written in the last 15 - 20 years since the authors and the readership matured and writing became more competitive. Charles Stross, AC Clark and Neal Stephenson were mentioned but not Stephen Baxter (the best Evolution introduction ever written), Adam Roberts (read Salt or Stone), Vernor Vinge. The top ten failed to mention earlier giants such as the Science Fantasy of Jack Vance and the beauty of Ursula le Guin.
Posted by: Simon3 12 May 2010
Le Guinn??
How can you omit ULG? Whether you like her version of SFor not - she can actually *write" (got that Isaac?)! This fact renders your analysis completly void!
Posted by: Dan 12 May 2010
Complete pants
What a crock of complete rubbish. Harlan who? FFS. I have over 2,000 sci-fi books at home and I've never heard of him. You've missed out Niven, Pournell, Anderson, Hamilton....(the list goes on). Verne? Clarke? Banks? Come on. Verne's output was pitiful (he wrote one sci-fi novel) and poorly written despite being inventive. Clarke's stories are childish and badly presented and have limited creativity. Banks' sci-fi output is awful when compared to his non sci-fi works - boring and static, his sci-fi books are easily discarded. Roddenberry?? Have you guys even read the original Star Trek? OMG...it's awful. Wonderfully inventive but so badly written with cardboard characters and awful story lines. And as for Stross....Accelerando was ok but to put him in the top ten instead of Niven or Pournell is just a travesty. And whilst we're at it, what about Asher? Asher's writing is wonderfully creative and beatifully crafted. His worlds come to life and his characters have real depth. You've missed out Morgan as well. Takeshi Kovacs is easily one of the greatest characters in modern sci-fi. Boys, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. You've nailed it with Heinlein, Stephenson and Gibson but otherwise you're doing nothing more than demonstrating the limits of your knowledge. Move on to the next screen (as Tak would say)
Posted by: Jon 12 May 2010
Strange writing in a strange article
Frank Herbert, Alfred Bester, Phillip K. Dick: missing giants. Kudos for including Jules Verne and H.G. Wells. Why Douglas Adams? Why Charles Stross? How about an article on most influential science-fiction regardless of format? That would include films and tv series.It would speak to the enduring impact within people's minds that in turn impacts subsequent books and movies. Let's talk about the enduring glow of inspiration.
Posted by: Wade 12 May 2010
No Silverberg?
Although already mentioned by other commenters, a really major omission, not just for his ideas and storylines, but his superb writing style. Plenty of other names to throw in: Spinrad, Rutherford, Herbert, Moorcock, Disch, Dick, Zelazny, Le Guin, Aldiss, Niven, Haldeman and many, many more coudl easily be thrown into the hat. Also why not look outside adult literature? How many kids did Andre Norton get hooked on SF for instance? Adams is too high on the list for someone who mainly focuses on the comedic side of writing as that is not to everyone's taste (I write this as a huge fan of Adams, especially being from the UK as his humour is more easily appreciated here than in some other countries due to the cultural context). I also love Banks (again cultural to some extent & a huge fan of his non SF work too) - including having lots of signed copies of his books from UK book signings... But would say he too is ranked too high (I think the list suffers a bit too much from "over egging" some authors of the last couple of decades). I would say a better approach may be to split the SF "best of" into "eras" to address biases (that in many cases will be due to lack of familiarity with various others as it is always hard to get to grips with books from before the "era" you grew up with)
Posted by: DaveC 12 May 2010
Are you kidding? Seriously...?
Where is Dick with his dark views on existence and its inherent entropy-like schizophrenia? And Lem - with his unfriendly and man-incomprehensible universe? And where's Dan Simmons?
Posted by: Sambucus Nigra 12 May 2010
P.S.
P.S. WHERE is Frank Herbert???????????????????????
Posted by: Sambucus Nigra 12 May 2010
Most famous? Yes. Best? Not really.
While all of these are big names, none of them really compare to Robert Reed, Dan Simmons, or PKD. I'll accept that the PKD thing was just an oversight, but the list seems to have been chosen based on fame rather than actual quality.
Posted by: Greg 12 May 2010
Almost worried
I thought at first you were about to leave my favourite out - A.C. Clarke. But there he was at number one! Nice. Has anyone noticed that his best work - 'Childhood's End' has never been made into a film or series? Seemingly he refused all attempts of directors trying to make it without him be given executive directorship. Maybe his family will? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood%27s_End
Posted by: Stuart Halliday 12 May 2010
All men
Did anyone compiling this list notice that all the nominees and selectors were men?
Posted by: Gavin Wilson 11 May 2010
V3 response
Thanks for the great comments and suggestions everyone, my library card will be getting good use in the coming weeks. Mike: funny you mention that. We were seriously considering expanding the list and had travel demands not gotten in the way it's likely that we would have posted an annotated top 25 over the weekend with many of the names that have been listed. I have to say for that reason this might have been the toughest list we've done yet. drxray: Good catch on Bradbury. Every time we do a list like this there's a palpable sense of dread that we're omitting someone very important. Obviously PKD was one we missed, as was Bradbury. Ernie Burns: Read over the list again. Heinlein, Clarke and Assimov are all amongst our top 10.
Posted by: Shaun Nichols 11 May 2010
first gents of sci-fy
Isaac Assimov , Robert A Heinlein , and Arthur C Clarke were giants who just about coined the term sci-fy, leaving them out is more then just a screw up. shame on the both of ya.....
Posted by: Brian 11 May 2010
Not good enough
An inadequate listing, ignoring writers like these that follow. First 4 are a deserving list but what about Larry Niven RINGWORLD is a tour de force, he would outwrite Roddenberry any day. Star Trek is OK entertainment but pretty lame SF. Brian Aldiss, Greg Benford, Zimmer Bradley, Frank Herbert, Lem as mentioned, CS Lewis, Alice Norton, Pournelle, Carl Sagan, Simak, van Vogt, Vonnegut hmmm maybe not true SF, but Ian Watson!, John Wyndham, Zelazny See you'll have to increase it to twenty.
Posted by: Mike 10 May 2010
Ray Bradbury
Ray Bradbury anyone?
Posted by: drxray 10 May 2010
Overall the list is okay
Yes, I know you two had a tough time getting it down to 10 people. I think that omitting Roger Zelazny was a mistake. He was a far better writer than some of your picks. You might categorize him more as a fantasy writer than science fiction, but "Lord of Light" would prove you wrong. He was an excellent short story writer as "The Last Defender of Camelot" anthology proves. His style made him unique in the field. He also died young of lung cancer and he seemed a rather nice person the one time I met him. His works will probably last the test of time. Both he and Clarke have recently been republished here in the States it seems.
Posted by: John Moore 10 May 2010
Top 10 SF writers
A brilliant article but I was surprised not to see Robert Silverberg make the list...
Posted by: Kevin Casey 10 May 2010
Its just wrong.
Nearly leaving out Philip K Dick is in fact unforgivable. Where are Robert A Heinlein, John Wyndham or Arthur C Clarke? Isaac Assimov? James Blish? And please - a plug for Star Trek? OK the commitment to make it technically possible is laudable, but, dramatically plausible? Star Trek is a soap opera that just happens to take place in space.
Posted by: Ernie Burns 10 May 2010
Oh no.....
Wot no Frank Herbert! Noooooooo!!!
Posted by: Furbian 09 May 2010
Lem
This article reveals how provincial your Anglo-Saxon world is. Number one by far is Stanislaw Lem, a Polish sci-fi writer (author of "Solaris" among other things, if it does ring a bell). Not to mention other European authors, like the Strugatskiy brothers from Russia...
Posted by: Bernau 08 May 2010
I was about to winge that you forgot PKD
No Phillip K Dick, but you got him in the revision, so I will forgive you.
Posted by: k'd cowan 08 May 2010