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28 Aug 2009, Rosalie Marshall , V3
The government has responded to negative public feedback following its announcement that it may cut off illegal downloaders from the internet in a new effort to curb piracy.
If the proposals are enforced, the UK will be the first country in Europe to restrict citizens' access to the internet. Some citizen rights groups have criticised the move, arguing that internet access should be considered a fundamental human right.
The government has now responded to accusations that it has abandoned its previous piracy policy outlined in the Digital Britain report, which was published and opened for public consultation in June.
Digital Britain outlined an agenda to reduce illegal downloads by allowing Ofcom to work with internet service providers (ISPs) to target individuals sharing files with peers, and send them written warnings. If a warning does not work, the identity of the downloader will be given to the copyright holder which will then be able to take legal action.
But the Tuesday report from the government added stricter three-strikes measures to the consultation, whereby individuals may be cut off from their ISP if they commit three illegal download offences. Such a policy will only be introduced nationally if the softer measures scheduled to be introduced next spring fail to bring down illegal downloading by 80 per cent, the government's target set in the report.
In a new post on the Digital Britain Forum, the government said that the Digital Britain report was merely meant to be a package for consultation, and that it has simply added more ideas.
"The core proposals of notification of those who seem to be breaching copyright, with a sanction of technical measures if that is not working, remain in place," it said.
In response to criticism that the new proposals had been influenced by powerful entertainment industry lobbyists and US record executive David Geffen, the government said that the issue is probably not on Geffen's radar, and that the proposals had been well thought through.
"As we listened to people's views and considered the consultation responses that we've already received, it simply became clear to us that we needed to add more ideas to the discussion for people to consider," said the forum post.
The government also rejected accusations that it was criminalising young people, as younger generations are more likely to download illegally.
"Copying copyrighted material without permission or payment is already unlawful," the government said. "Recognising that fact and enforcing existing rights is not criminalisation."
However, the government did acknowledge the need for more legitimate online music products to be made available.
Finally, the government responded to sceptics who had said that the policy of cutting off downloaders would be too difficult to enforce.
"We realise that it is possible for mistakes to occur or for people to have their wireless connection hi-jacked. We will set up an appeals mechanism so that the consumer has an easy appeals route at each stage," the forum post said. " The identification process will need to be as robust as possible."
Do you agree?
Why have Internet in the first place?
If illegal downloading will cause a ban, then why do most ISPs talk about downloading stuff. I mean the whole point of an ISP is have access to the Internet e.g. check mail, look for images etc. Illegal downloading is on a whole different basis, meaning there shouldnt have been torrent sites in the first place. But its right that whoever gets caught should be banned from ONLY downloading, not using the Internet itself.
Posted by Khaver Mobeen, 07 Sep 2009
demanded that the Digital Britain report be beefed up to include criminalizing file sharing.
"In response to criticism .... the government said that the issue is probably not on Geffen's radar, and that the proposals had been well thought through."
while in that off the cuff meeting in corfu you mean MR/miss Govt spokesperson ?
remember this
http://www.techdirt.com/blog.php?tag=david+geffen
"a spokesperson for Mandelson insisted the wining and dining with Geffen had nothing to do with things, someone else in the office seemed to disagree:
'Until the past week, Mandelson had shown little personal interest in the Digital Britain agenda. Suddenly Peter returned from holiday and effectively issued this edict that the regulation needs to be tougher.'
Perhaps you can't take a single anonymous quote seriously, but it's at least worth finding out why Mandelson suddenly thinks it's a smart thing to criminalize a large portion of the online activity in the UK...."
thats "just days after dining with entertainment industry honcho David Geffen while on holiday, at the Rothschild family villa on Corfu, Lord Peter Mandelson, the UK's Business Secretary suddenly returned to the office and "demanded " that the Digital Britain report be beefed up to include criminalizing file sharing."
Posted by Born Yesturday, 30 Aug 2009
Pirate Party UK said....
interesting development if you actually look for the facts
and the story, do we really have to go find the David Geffen on copywrite quotes and related past stories Roalie....
OC he's got a view, that how he makes his money...
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090816/2111135888.shtml#comments
"Aug 17th, 2009 @ 9:30am
Pirate Party UK
by John Barron
We're not complaining, if the governments wants to *drive* voters to support us, lots of publicity and lots of voter's eyes on the story :)
One of our officers has blogged about it, saying: 'by all means criminalise it', not least for reasons mentioned here about having to have proper proof.
http://www.pirateparty.org.uk
"
"Dave W (profile)
His name is spelt MANDELSON. He is universally disliked in the UK having been thrown out of government twice, and only brought back in by being made a Lord (as no one in the population would vote for him). Check out his background here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Mandelson
"
Posted by its in the news, 30 Aug 2009
Same old, same old...
This government will be out in a years time. They have to love-up to the people that will be offering the most money once they need a job. Mandleson is simply looking after his own interests (like all the other labour con artists.
Posted by NevTheTech, 30 Aug 2009
Spying for the Music Indutry
what gets me about all this is that if ISP's, the English Government, the Police, etc have to actually SPY on all internet users to be able to ascetain if they are downloading illegally or not. That the english Government can even contemplate this is mind boggling in the extreme. If this is allowed through, it is only a very short step to mail being read, all phones being tapped, KGB like operatives on every street corner and people living in fear of anything they say being misinterpreted. Ring any bells? Surely this is what we fought two world wars and the Cold War to stop! remember, every bit of progress has to start with the first step, and this is one step that is definately in the wrong direction.
It is time that the Government stopped trying to do work for the Music Industry. Whenever a government interferes in anything outside of politics it will always go drastically wrong.
Posted by BigT, 03 Sep 2009
DOWNLOADING IN THE UK IS NOT ILLEGAL
This subject has amused me for years. The reason no one in the UK has EVER been prosecuted for illegal downloading is simply because no such offence exists under English law. Yes, I know the law relating to copyright and passing off inside out. Only uploading copyrighted material is illegal in the UK.
Posted by Gordon Brown, 21 Dec 2009
how do they cut me off
if i am cut of , whats to stop me just signing on with a new id, i have at least 7 email addresses and could set up more
Posted by bazza, 21 Dec 2009