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31 Oct 2009, Shaun Nichols , V3
Last week, in honour of the Windows 7 launch, we covered Microsoft's biggest successes in the computing field. This week, in the interest of balance, we're looking to the company's dark side.
Every company has its hits and misses. Microsoft, however, seems to have a tendency to miss a lot more often than other companies. Perhaps it's because the company has been so big for so long, or perhaps it's because people are always so eager to point out the faults of the Redmond giant. But no matter what the reason, Microsoft's list of flops is long and legendary.
So this week, we count down 10 of what we think are Microsoft's biggest duds. It's been a tough one to write, not because of a shortage of candidates, but because we had to hold ourselves in check. We've suffered through all of these examples and the temptation to rant has had to be curtailed. We've managed to keep it under 5,000 words - just - but if time had permitted we could have doubled that.
Honourable
mention: Encarta
Iain Thomson: In under 24 hours Encarta will be no more,
except for the Japanese version which gets a stay of execution. So let's dance
on its grave a little.
Encarta was one of those 'seemed like a good idea at the time' things. I suspect more than a few Microsoft staffers grew up with a full set of the Encyclopaedia Britannica and loved them dearly. I'd also suggest that someone looked at the thousands of dollars that the Britannica crew were charging, and figured they could get a slice of that pie.
The result was Encarta, and it was about as much a threat to Britannia as Bambi to Godzilla. Encarta was clunky, badly written and had more than a few inaccuracies. It was also a sizeable bit of software and was pricey for what it was.
But what really killed Encarta was Wikipedia and the power of crowds. Wikipedia beat off a host of researchers and software engineers because nothing commercial can overcome people doing something for fun.
Shaun Nichols: It's a bit ironic how Microsoft, a company known for wiping out countless numbers of competing products from smaller vendors, is now being forced out of this market by a project created almost exclusively by small and independent groups. Wikipedia may have its faults, but you have to applaud it: if nothing else, it has got rid of Encarta.
Still, it seems that Britannica can't be too far behind. Unfortunately the encyclopaedia vendors took far too long to move from the CD-ROM to online services, and as a result users stepped in and created Wikipedia. It's a bit of a shame, because Wikipedia is flawed, and multimedia encyclopaedias did have uses in a number of areas.
Hopefully, somewhere down the line, somebody will relaunch another encyclopaedia service to keep Wikipedia on its toes. We shall wait and see.
Honourable
mention: Ms Dewey
Shaun Nichols: A few years back, Microsoft was looking for a
way to boost interest in its MSN Search service. One of the ideas was an
interactive search site dubbed Ms Dewey. The live-action search allowed users to
submit queries which would be answered by a wise-cracking actress.
Unfortunately, the idea of a pretty lady who would answer all your questions caused almost everyone who used the site to revert to the intelligence level of a 14 year-old boy, and most of the time on the site was spent asking dirty questions. Things only got worse when some of the steamier early work by Janina Gavankar, the actress who played Ms Dewey, began to surface.
The site didn't last very long, as Microsoft could not have been thrilled by the reception it got. The company had hoped to create a cute little marketing gimmick that would bring more attention to its search service. Instead, the campaign ended up looking at best amateurish and at worst a bit sleazy.
Iain Thomson: Actually Shaun, I think there's more than a little of the teenaged boy in many people in the technology field. Look at previous female personifications brought to life on the computer: they are all failures and seem to have come from the bottom of a teenager's sock drawer.
You can't condemn Ms Gavankar for some of the schlock she's done early in her career; we've all done things we aren't proud of (see number five of this list for example). I thought she did the job rather well. The problem is that the job itself was a duff one.
Apparently the Ms Dewey search idea wasn't Microsoft's but came from its advertising agency. I can believe it. The whole concept seems perfectly suited to people who know very little about computers and their users, and was probably inspired by a liquid lunch and a generous helping of Columbian marching powder.
10.
MS-DOS 4.0
Shaun Nichols: In last week's Top 10, we named
DOS
5 as one of the 10 best releases from Microsoft. It was a nice example of
just how good DOS could be when done right.
This week, we take a look at just how bad DOS can be when it's done wrong. DOS 4 was released in 1988 and soon became known as one of the all-time worst versions of the operating system.
DOS 4 was riddled with bugs, and in many cases, applications could not run on the product. As Windows was still in its infancy, many users still made heavy use of DOS and this was a pretty big problem. In 1989 Microsoft rolled out the 4.01 update, thus providing an early case for the concept of waiting a year on any Microsoft software update.
Iain Thomson: DOS 4 was so awful it nearly got me to by an Apple – yes, it was that bad. I think Microsoft was just trying to do too many things at once. It was still locked in a battle with Digital Research for control of the DOS market, but was also getting into bed with IBM to develop OS/2, albeit half-heartedly.
Microsoft even ran ads saying DOS was dead after version 4 but, based on the operating system's performance, there were many users willing to bury the thing.
It was phenomenally buggy, and crashed more often than a blind stock-car racer. I think I spent more time in the late 1980s watching the computer boot up and then freeze than doing anything useful on it. Our university IT department eventually caved in and reverted to DOS 3.
To make matters worse Microsoft didn't fix the most obvious problems for a year. It's no wonder so many people left their PCs in the bin and went over to Apple.
9.
Internet Explorer 5
Iain Thomson: There was some intense discussion about what
version of Internet Explorer we were going to include. I was tempted by IE6,
since it hung around like a bad smell for five years while Microsoft gallivanted
off doing other things.
But instead, we opted for IE5 for the part it played in Microsoft's history. IE5 was pivotal in Microsoft's plans to tie the browser so tightly into the operating system that it would give the company the whip hand and ensure that if you used Microsoft you also used IE.
It was a shameful piece of anti-competitive practice, and one that is only now being sorted out to the satisfaction of some regulatory bodies. No-one knows which bright spark at Redmond decided on the strategy, but in my opinion this looks like a Ballmer move; he's always been a little too aggressive when it comes to business strategy.
The courts examined this case very closely. At first Microsoft said that IE5 couldn't be removed since it was an integral part of the operating system. The prosecution then wheeled out a version of Windows that did just fine without it. Eventually the US courts decided that Microsoft had done wrong and the company narrowly missed getting broken in two.
Shaun Nichols: The problem with IE5 wasn't just that it was a bad product, but that it was a bad product which a great many people were stuck with. Firefox had yet to truly emerge, and Opera was toiling in anonymity. For most of the users out there, it was IE or nothing.
Fully aware of this, Microsoft went ahead and did little to nothing. It wasn't until Firefox started knocking on the door that the company really got off its butt and significantly improved the browser. And it wasn't just users who suffered. As Iain noted, IE5 was bundled with Windows as a free component.
Seeing as how much of the internet was just coming of age around that time, Microsoft gave itself an unfair advantage that wiped Netscape out once and for all, but also kicked off the landmark anti-trust case that hounds Microsoft to this day.
8.
Windows 95
Shaun Nichols: Windows 95 was supposed to be the killer
operating system for the PC platform. As the emergence of the internet and
sophistication of the home computer was bringing many first-time buyers into the
market, Microsoft took aim at this growing user base by promising a sleek,
easy-to-use operating system. What they got instead was a textbook example of
why people loved to hate Microsoft in the 1990s.
Touted as a major leap in computing prior to its release, Microsoft spent hundreds of millions of dollars to promote the system, using publicity stunts such as projecting the Windows 95 logo onto the Empire State Building.
Unfortunately, Windows 95 wasn't as revolutionary as some had hoped. Emerging hardware standards such USB, AGP and Intel's P6 architecture had little or no support in early versions of Windows 95, and it wasn't until 1997 that all of the kinks were ironed out.
Of course, not long after that Windows 98 came along and replaced Windows 95 anyway.
Iain Thomson: The launch of Windows 95 was a huge deal and the biggest marketing campaign in Microsoft's history. However, one man was distinctly unimpressed: Douglas Adams.
Among all the hoopla, Adams wrote a brilliantly savage takedown of the operating system and hit the nail on the head. Windows 95 did what Apple had done for years, and did it worse. That didn't stop him selling software for the system but it was a welcome note of logic.
Windows 95 just wasn't that good. The GUI was clunky and you needed top-of-the-range kit to run it at a speed approaching usefulness. But that didn't matter to most customers because it finally made the PC as easy to use as an Apple.
Shaun has it right to an extent, in that Windows 98 was the operating system Windows 95 should have been. But this ignores the fact that, by the second edition of Windows 95, it got a lot better, and lasted on some corporate systems for years.
7.
Zune
Iain Thomson: Apple's iPod basically created the mass market
media player industry. It had cool players and the software to back it up. So
naturally, Microsoft wanted to get in the game and suck up some of that lovely
revenue.
However, Microsoft seems to have missed one of the essential laws of the technology industry. Many companies have their cool moments. Apple is probably the most commonly called cool, but Sony, Nokia, Cray and even IBM have had their stylish moments. But Microsoft is not, and never will be, cool. It's the IT equivalent of your dad's fashion sense; elasticated trousers are very sensible but they'll never grace a Milanese runway.
That aside, the Zune was also an awful bit of kit. It was tied to Windows, for a start. Maybe Redmond decided that no Apple user would abandon their iPods, but making it impossible for them to do so was just plain stupid.
Then there were the other features. The FM radio was a nice idea, but it had a tendency to drain the battery on early models. Wi-Fi was an excellent addition that could have won over more than a few iPod users if only Microsoft hadn't crippled it.
Then, to add insult to injury, the device was limited to the US market. It was a year after launch that the company started sales in Europe. If someone had visited the US, bought one of the devices and then bought it back to Europe, they'd find the company putting blocks in their way to using it. Truly, the device from hell.
Shaun Nichols: I've always said that the Zune didn't fail because it was a bad product, but because it wasn't a superior product. There were gripes about the Zune, but then there were also some strong points.
In reality, when the Zune and iPod were stacked side by side, the Zune didn't wither away in comparison. Unfortunately for Microsoft, 'comparable' just didn't cut it. The iPod was at the height of its popularity, and users were in love with the combination of iPod and iTunes.
Simply put, there was no 'killer app' that gave anyone a reason to dump the iPod. Internet Explorer had the tie-in to Windows. The Xbox had a pack of highly-popular exclusive games and online play. The Zune had none of these, and users really had no appreciable reason to switch over.
6.
Bob
Shaun Nichols: Few products are more synonymous with
Microsoft's shortcomings than Bob, the ill-fated navigation system that was
bundled with Windows 3.1 and 95.
At first glance I wanted to put it much higher on this list, but Iain had some very compelling reasons to move it down, the first being that he can fire me and the second being that Bob was hardly a mission-critical component. Faced with this excellent reasoning, I conceded and we placed Bob in sixth.
The concept behind Bob was to provide an easy-to-use interface for beginners and first-time PC buyers. With memories of command-line systems such as Unix and DOS in the mind of most casual users, Microsoft figured that a simplified interface would help sell more machines. As is often the case with Microsoft, however, a good idea didn't translate into a good product.
Bob came off as a bit of a boob, so to speak. The application required relatively high hardware features for the day, meaning that the low-end machines of many first-time buyers couldn't run it. On top of that, Bob was a bit too simple, and after a short time even the most inexperienced user wanted to turn it off and actually use the rest of their system.
For anyone who had spent any significant amount of time with a PC, Bob was seen as little more than a children's toy, and having friends see you using it was akin to riding a bike with training wheels.
Not long after its release, Bob was discontinued and Microsoft wisely did what it could to erase him from the collective memory of the computing world.
Iain Thomson: Oh come on Shaun, you know your job doesn't depend on the list, it depends on your arguments and the ability to take a punch to the jaw. But, while Bob was a monstrous screw up, there were more deserving cases to go higher on the list.
Bob is legendary in computing circles for being so hideously bad that it has been almost airbrushed out of Microsoft's history. It had an interface that a child would love but the average consumer hated. You can't take a system seriously when it's got sections run by Chaos the Cat and Scuzz the Rat.
On one level, however, Bob was a major success. The future Mrs Gates was on the team that created Bob, so I'm sure Bill remembers it with fondness.
5.
ActiveX
Iain Thomson: OK, confession time. About 15 years ago I left
journalism and its triumph of salary miniaturisation and went into public
relations. One of my jobs was to launch ActiveX into the UK market with a
straight face. Needless to say, it wasn't long before went back to journalism.
ActiveX makes the list because it was poorly thought out and Microsoft was so slow to fix many of the problems. In some ways ActiveX is blamed unfairly for many of the flaws in IE. But it did fall down in some important ways.
Primarily ActiveX was very easy for adware companies and malware writers to subvert. Yes, that was down to those companies but Microsoft provided the framework and assumed that users were savvy enough to spot a bad ActiveX control. They couldn't, and the results were horribly bad for many users.
Having these problems was bad enough, but Microsoft's attitude ranged from sticking its fingers in its ears and shouting 'La, la, la we can't hear you', to the kind of grudging fixes that infuriated users and delighted those trying to subvert Windows.
Shaun Nichols: As with a great many things, ActiveX was a good enough idea that had a highly unpleasant side effect. The ability to integrate third-party applications with the web browser was a pretty neat idea, unfortunately it also opened a Pandora's box of security issues. Sort of like a weight loss pill that causes you to turn orange and grow a third arm out of your chest.
You see, by adding components to open third-party applications from the browser Microsoft allowed web pages to access those applications through the browser, and access to all of the security vulnerabilities within the browser.
Suddenly, malware writers could not only exploit vulnerabilities in the browser itself, but they could use ActiveX plug-ins to access and exploit the vulnerabilities in other applications, such as Word and Excel. If you do get your system compromised through Internet Explorer these days, there's a fairly good chance that you have an ActiveX plug-in to thank.
4.
Windows Vista
Shaun Nichols: Vista itself doesn't get placed higher on the
list because its failures weren't entirely the fault of the operating system
itself.
Vista really did contain some cool new features and important security improvements over Windows XP. Unfortunately, they weren't nearly enough to justify the amount of time, money or hype given to the release.
The other problem was that Vista had big shoes to fill, and Microsoft simply did not deliver. As with other Windows updates, Vista had its share of bugs and compatibility issues. Not too bad in the grand scheme of things, but a major gaffe when you consider that Microsoft had spent years hyping Vista and had promised that it would be the biggest thing since Windows 95.
Vista was supposed to be the most important Windows update in more than a decade. As it turned out, the update was so bad that many people refused to install it, opting instead to stay with the ageing Windows XP.
Iain Thomson: It was Microsoft that doomed Vista before it was even released. The company spent so many years telling us how good it was going to be that the actual product was an understandable anticlimax.
Vista was originally promised for 2003/4 and kept on getting pushed further and further back. Now, in the past Microsoft has pre-announced software to stifle competition, such as in the days when it was fighting for the DOS market with Digital Research. But with Vista there was no such need.
Microsoft also mucked up by announcing all the great new features Vista would have, and then dropping them as deadlines slipped and the market grew more and more impatient. It was a recipe for disaster.
As for the launch itself problems began to emerge quickly. Driver support wasn't there, the multitude of options was confusing and it needed a huge amount of hardware support. I'd no more consider running Vista with less than 2GB of RAM than I would turn up at a press conference without a notebook and a cynical attitude.
Nevertheless, I think we're seeing a Windows 95 situation here. After the service packs, Vista wasn't as bad as it had been. But it's a measure of how deep a hole Microsoft recognised it was in that it got Windows 7 out so quickly.
3.
Vista Capable
Iain Thomson: Microsoft was very late getting Vista to market,
years late as it turned out. But when it finally was due, Microsoft realised it
was going to miss the all important last quarter of the year.
Lots of PCs get bought in the run up to Christmas, and Vista wasn't due until January 2007. This understandably made a lot of hardware vendors very unhappy, since it was clear that consumers weren't going to buy a computer if they had to buy a new operating system a few months later. So some bright spark came up with the Vista Capable and Vista Ready campaigns.
If your computer was labelled Vista Ready then customers knew it would run Vista easily, and Vista Capable would also be able to run the software, if not as well. To seal the deal, buyers got a voucher for a free or reduced-cost upgrade to Vista once the operating system was out. Job done, and one analyst reckoned the company saved over $1bn with the campaign.
However, this cunning plan was fatally flawed. Vista demanded a lot of hardware to run and some Vista Capable machines could run only the most basic version of the new operating system, and even then at the speed of a drunken snail. Naturally, people were upset and some folks sued. The result was the public opening up of a slew of emails that proved highly embarrassing to Microsoft.
It seems some senior Microsoft staff knew from the start that some of the machines being sold as ready for Vista were nothing of the sort. In addition some hardware vendors were furious that Microsoft had downgraded the hardware needed to be Vista Capable to please Intel.
The courts are still ruling on this one, so we'll see how it turns out. But it was hardly Microsoft's finest hour.
Shaun Nichols: We actually decided to separate Vista and Vista Capable on this list, because we felt that each of the screw-ups deserves to be recognised on their own merits. And I would argue that the roll-out of Vista was a far bigger disaster than the operating system itself.
Perhaps the biggest gripe about Windows Vista was the 'Vista Capable' criteria. The company figured that it could help users avoid many of the headaches that had been associated with previous versions of Windows and offer a simple 'yes or no' label.
The only problem was that, well, Microsoft couldn't give a simple 'yes or no' answer on Windows Vista because there were so many different vendors building PC hardware and several different versions of Windows Vista with varying hardware requirements.
To make matters worse, there are now parties who suggest that Microsoft was not only misguided with the programme, but downright deceptive. It's bad enough that Microsoft is having to pump up Windows 7 as the operating system that Vista should have been, but it will only get worse if the company is found to have lied to customers on top of that.
2.
Clippy
Shaun Nichols: Bob was regarded as one of the more amusing
failures in Microsoft's history. An early attempt to simplify computer use, Bob
was instead received as an annoying gimmick that drove people crazy.
You would think that after such a fiasco Microsoft would learn its lesson, but no. With the bitter taste of Bob still lingering, Microsoft set out to create an even more useless, intrusive and irritating piece of idiotware: Clippy. The infamous animated paper-clip shipped with Microsoft Office 97-2003 had a six-year run which tortured users and gave office supplies everywhere a bad name.
Think of the annoying salesperson who pops up behind you and repeatedly asks if you're finding everything OK, or the guy who stands over your shoulder while you're fixing something in the garage and offers unwanted advice. Clippy was like both of those people, combined with an irritating children's cartoon character. Obviously, when you're on a deadline and rushing to finish a business report or term paper, nothing is more helpful than an annoying cartoon paper clip popping up on the screen and offering to help you write up your grocery list.
Thankfully Clippy was killed off in the most recent versions of Office. Hopefully Microsoft has finally learned its lesson and we won't have to deal with an even more annoying animated utility in the future, but I'm not optimistic.
Iain Thomson: Microsoft has never released the name of the person who came up the idea for Clippy, and for good reason. Several million computer users would be after them with murder in their hearts and police wouldn't have to look far for a motive.
I swear IT administrators got more calls about Clippy that any other piece of Microsoft kit. The overwhelming question was how to turn it off before people snapped and took a chainsaw to their PCs. It was a nadir in stupid software.
You have to wonder what Microsoft was thinking. Maybe there were some science fiction fans at the company who liked the idea of a computer helper. But Clippy wasn't a HAL or other advanced AI system. It was AD – artificial dumbness. It's still a running joke in the industry and I hope it remains so; that way no company will be so stupid as to do it again.
1.
Windows Me
Iain Thomson: When we decided to do this list I was dreading
the argument with Shaun. I know he hates Vista and would want it for the top
spot, but I felt we'd be not just flogging a dead horse but jumping up and down
on the tins of dog food it had become.
As it turns out, he wasn't keen to have Vista on the top spot either and we quickly agreed on the winner, if that's the word. Windows Millennium Edition (Me) was an absolute dog of an operating system and even now is mocked as Microsoft's lowest point in operating system design.
To start off with the operating system was, in my opinion, the most crash-prone piece of software I've ever had the misfortune to run. It was as unstable as a Hollywood starlet with substance abuse issues, and many users got used to saving everything every five minutes just in case. IT administrators hated it for this reason and point-blank refused to roll it out in more than a few instances.
Then there were the compatibility issues. To speed up the boot time Microsoft limited access to DOS, but this also made some popular applications incompatible with the operating system. The system restore feature was a nice idea, but most users assumed that documents would also be restored, which wasn't the case, and occasionally even found the system restored deleted malware.
There was a widespread view that Me was a cash-in product, something Microsoft had stuck out there early to wring a bit more cash out of the Windows 9x line before moving over to XP. That may or may not be true, but it was certainly not a polished product and did wonders for sales of Apple's iMac.
Shaun Nichols: When users restored their systems with Windows 98, the software would occasionally also reinstall malware which had previously been deleted. Amazingly, the fact that it would deliberately reinfect your computer was not the worst thing people remember about Windows Me. That should tell you all you need to know right there.
Windows Me was one of those releases that Microsoft really should never have let off campus. After the first few tests, which no doubt showed that the system was incredibly error-prone, someone in the higher ranks of the company should have pressed the panic button and sent everyone back to the drawing board. It's hard to imagine a Steve Jobs or a Larry Ellison letting a dog of this calibre ship as a final release.
Last week Iain suggested that every other version of DOS was poorly built and worth skipping. I would suggest that the same holds true for Windows: 3.11 was a landmark release, Windows 95 not so great, Windows 98 much better, Windows Me was notably terrible, Windows XP very good, and Vista a train wreck. The good news is that, if history is any indication, Windows 7 shouldn't be so bad.
Do you agree?
Windows Vista is the best!
I disagree. Windows Vista is a very good operation system. It works with old programs and it is easy to use. Vista has far more features than XP. I think Vista works better than XP. It is my opinion. Vista isn't worse product. I don't know, why people don't like Vista.
Posted by wiwi_eu, 03 Nov 2009
Why bother?
Are you taking the same Windows 95 that's considered the most fundamental breakthrough in bringing graphical GUI to to mass consumer? The OS which resulted in Microsoft's position as the OS of choice for 90% of all computers? And the writer considers this to be one of their worst product! No USB support? Maybe thats because USB wasnt invented at the time. and also, encarta was a brilliant product for the time. Its like saying VHS was a failure because DVDs are better.
Posted by sean, 31 Oct 2009
Microsoft's Worst Products perspective
You folks give the impression that Microsoft can and does make "great" software products, with constant statements of "new features" and use of word s like "performance" and "Wow".
The truth is quite different, since no Microsoft operating system and some other software - from DOS forward was ever the best product at the time - when fairly and accurately compared to competition, and most if not all of the "new features" presented as original were capabilities that are better executed and available in other products long beforehand.
It has become a farce how many so-called technology journalist have, over the years, skewed their writing more and more to falsifying information in favour of Microsoft and refusing to sensibly and credibly inform the public about alternative software products and solutions that represented a viable, in-most-circumstances better choice.
I know about MS-DOS - all of them that were no better than CP/M or DR_DOS, and Windows 98/NT/200 that was no where as good as IBM OS/2, and Word/Excel/Outlook that did not hold a candle in "real" features to Wordperfect or Lotus Smartsuite 98, or Windows XP/Vista/Windows 7 that really copied much from and are less grand than Mac OS X or Ubuntu Linux 91.0. All these really great products are consistently considered under-written about as ugly step-children - as in Cinderella.
Fortunately peoples in other continents do not hero worship Bill Gates or Microsoft, and give very little credence to "an American being the richest man in the world", and therefore are more pragmatic in wisely choosing Linux as foundation for their education and government technology operations that will probably put them significantly ahead of US in near future. Sad that fluff and marketing are more important that real value.
Posted by W. Anderson, 02 Nov 2009
Vista and Clippy
Vista may have it's problems, people conveniently forget that XP did when it came out. I seem to remember no end of whingeing about it in the early years.
In my experience Vista is a lot more stable and reliable than XP. If '7' solves some of the gripes about the 'footprint' it should be terrific.
And I really miss Clippy. Instead of moaning about it, if you don't like it... turn it off.
Posted by Mike, 02 Nov 2009
Microsoft Windows
Your comments on on Dos and Windows are over the top. I dont know the full history, but understand that dos was made for IBM. DR Dos was a load of rubbish and WIN3.1 was better than nothing. Nobody else gave us an operating system for the average user. Where was IBM's version to compete. I don't know much about Mac except that they shot them selves in the foot by being too mean to allow others to build their computers.
Everyone runs down Microsoft, but where would we be today without them. Linux is still difficult for the average user. So what dos or windows are we going to use. My biggest sorrow is losing Qbasic to work completely in Windows.
Posted by Jack Kenrick, 02 Nov 2009
I disagree
I used to be using WinME with success for much longer that Win98 or Win98SE. For me it was more stable and for example had no issues with shutdown like Win98SE (there was a patch for 98SE to fix this but it didn't work for my system). My system was based on AMD K6-2 350MHz and 64MB RAM.
Posted by yaworski, 02 Nov 2009
Windows 95 -- really?
I too am pretty shocked about the pissing on Windows 95. Yes it had its issues, but as the previous poster said it was a huge leap in terms of the GUI and usability for the average consumer.
Posted by Marcus, 06 Nov 2009
very well in hindsight
It's very well to mock some of these products in hindsight, but at the time they were released many on your 'worst' list were really very good products.
My biggest shock is that you have Encarta on your worst list. Encarta was an excellent product - you have to remember that back at Encarta's peak in 1995/1996 internet access was not common, and only taking off - when the internet did start to take off it was via a 28.8k or 33.6k modem and to use an ISP you had to pay a monthly fee and also pay the cost of the call to your ISP on top (well in the UK you did - I think in the US you guys had it lucky). Therefore, CD-ROM encyclopedias were the way to go. I admit that Encarta's online version was not up to scratch, but it is such a shame that it is to close because there are many articles on Wikipedia that are a complete biased mess, and where Encarta's quality was superior.
For Win95 and IE5 you really need to compare them to the competition at the time. IE5 was superior to the Netscape equivalent at the time. IE4 was the browser that introduced the OS integeration.
Posted by Paul, 04 Nov 2009
i so agree.
could not agree more with this list!
clippy was annoying, but I had ME.
brought it 6 months before XP and didnt upgrade till Vista. It really was a shit operating system! I still save everything every 2 minutes and back up every other week. Atleast i have ingrained good habits.
Encarta, i actually thought that was useful when internet was rare.
Posted by Hannah, 04 Nov 2009
At least Clippy gave you a relevant answer
I miss Clippy. At a click you could have help in finding an answer without having to wade through too much information as in the present Help package.
Posted by Babbler, 04 Nov 2009
Ms.Dewey
I always wondered what happened to her
Posted by charles, 04 Nov 2009
In praise of ME
WinME, if properly tuned, is easily as stable as Win98SE and has much improved memory-management. Hence, I have "downgraded" many XP boxes to it when SP2 & SP3 made that bloatware unworkably slow without buying more RAM. In some cases RAM is very expensive for older boxes and some old PCs have a 512 or even 256MB RAM limit. Current XP is just not practicable there and ME produces a great increase in speed (e.g. for Opera browsing) which amazes the owner, as well as being very safe against malware, since most Win9x viruses are now extinct!
Posted by Mike Yates, 05 Nov 2009
windows me
I bet the time when windows ME came out, everyone started getting a PC... I mean, it must be that ppl without any single knowledge of how to use PC tried to do whatever with the OS and messed up. Cuz i never had any of the problems ppl talk about, it was stable, and much better than windows 98. I only fully moved to XP after SP2, cuz b4 it wasnt that good to make me abandon ME.
Posted by Ronaldinho, 06 Nov 2009
and the apple grows...
I changed over to apple when windows 95 was released. I just couldn't work productively with it.
Needless to say I have never looked back.
I run XP and now 7 as virtual PC's on the mac...bets of both worlds ;-)
Posted by Death Honey, 06 Nov 2009
Why no Office 2007?
...and that damned annoying 'fluent interface' ribbon. It's rubbish and must have put more people off Microsoft products than everthing else listed.
Why in the name of god, didn't they leave the old menu system in as a switchable option for all those of us that have been using it for the past 20 years or so?
Posted by Richard, 06 Nov 2009
I totally agree
I Totally agree, Me was as unstable as a rat on crack!
i've kind of followed technology ever since i was young learning by trial and error,i having clawed my way through, dos,win3.1,95,98,98se,xp,vista,Windows 7 rc2, linux of verious kinds,
Windows Me was probably the only microsoft OS i refused to have, i have a mate who had it and it caused him some serious head aches, and would crash hourly and with out warning.
Posted by Adam Laing, 06 Nov 2009
I nominate:
Microsoft exchange server ... does everything Novell Netware did, but less reliably; uses up client system resources in ingenious new ways; interferes with client program operations if not blocking them altogether; crashes regularly. A real dog. Woof woof!
Posted by Jon Norstog, 06 Nov 2009
What about Windows 2000
Why does everybody forget about Windows 2000, and NT. The article says every other version of windows, but for their time I found NT & 2000 to be very good products. Given 2000 gave rise to XP, and NT gave rise to 2000, surely that screws up the every second OS theory?
Posted by Mark, 06 Nov 2009
No I don't agree
Why limit the list to just 10? There so many to chose from..Where to start. Windows Firewall. The one that broken out of the box. IE 6 bet you could get a few million votes for that. Indexing Service. You have vista twice. No fair considering there is millions of better one to pick.
Posted by ROBOKILL, 06 Nov 2009
A possible #11
I definitely would have added DirectX 10 to the list. Ever since MS crammed that down our gullets without even an option for XP/2000 users to take advantage of the new driver model, the PC gaming arena has turned into a ghost town. All game designers now don't trust MS when it comes to DirectX compatibility and most don't write for OpenGL anyway, so now everything gets designed for Xbox/PS3/PS2/WII, and port is later made, mayber, for the PC; need I go further? The best designing was always PCs first, consoles later.
Posted by QBert, 06 Nov 2009
Microsoft Bob
You history of Bob is actually inaccurate. For the real information on it, look up Lon Safko. He invented Bob for use by people with disabilities such as his father. He showed it to Microsoft to see if they wanted to market it, they declined. But then the future-Mrs. Gates stole the software and packaged it as Bob.
How obvious is the theft? Well if you look at a screenshot of Bob's desktop, it is Lon Safko's office which he based it on back in the day. He was forced to sue Microsoft for violating his intellectual rights and won with a cease and desist.
Not defending Bob as an operating system, it was clunky, but for an independent software creator with a specific purpose of helping his disabled father, it was amazing for its time.
Posted by Scott, 06 Nov 2009
Windows 95
I disagree with Windows 95 on the list and place Windows 2000. Why? Windows 2000 was released without any driver support.
Posted by C, 06 Nov 2009
Windows XP was actually not very good
To be honest, compared to Windows 2000, Windows XP was - and remains - pretty terrible. Compared to 2000 it has ME-levels of reliability. Windows 7 is more a "return to form", but it's more back to the old fasioned reliability levels of Windows 2000, as opposed to the reliability of Windows NT 4 - which ironically was criticised as being not as reliable as the nonpariel of Windows NT 3.51.
Why people think XP was actually any good escapes me. Windows 2000 wasn't particularly good, but it was - and remains - and order of magnitude better than any subsequent Windows release.
Posted by Simon C, 06 Nov 2009
Windows 95 - hardware intensive?
Quite the reverse. At the time I sold software and hardware. We used a benchmark from a popular PC magazine of the time. Nearly all the benchmarks were slightly higher on the same PC for Windows 95 than Windows 3.1, except the graphics - which were usually in the mid-20s range for Windows 95, and in the mid-7s for Windows 3.1 (that's a fifth of an order of magnitude, roughly). Not to be sneezed at...
Posted by Simon C, 06 Nov 2009
oh no ,the ME myth again
Did you actually ever use ME? Because in my experience everyone who goes on about how unstable etc it was hasn't.
I used it for 3 years, it worked absolutely fine. In my opinion, this myth has gained traction simply because most people have never used it, most people either stuck with 98 or jumped to 2000. Yes, system restore was a dog, but it still is, one of the first things I get rid of on XP.
Posted by Ian, 07 Nov 2009
Don't knock ActiveX and Windows 95
Windows 95 did some pretty technically amazing things - bridging the gap between DOS drivers and a proper 32 bit OS wasn't ever going to be very stable but was bloody handy.
ActiveX is a great technology that's core to lots of Windows interoperability - other operating systems are still miles behined there. Use on the interweb is questionable - the ability to embed flash in a web page is arguably confusing and dangerous.
Anyway, these two have pretty much defined the IT industry.
Posted by Ed, 07 Nov 2009
Microsoft Exdrain should indeed be number one!
That's Exchange Server's nickname by those who have dared to use the alternatives, which are, without exception, better.
In 2004, Ms bought 51% of Telewest (aka Blueyonder) and insisted they migrate to Exchange. Millions of vital invoices of dozens of big companies went down that proverbial drain resulting in litigation. I breath a sigh of relief every time I check the headers of my blueyonder emails and see "Exim".
Posted by Mike Yates, 07 Nov 2009
I disagree totally
For starters Vista has to be Number 1. There is nothing you could do for Vista to make it perform correctly. Sure ME was bad only because of drivers. ME was actually faster that 98 and if you had the correct drivers, it was rock solid and fast and I know of a lot who ran ME for a long time. Windows 95 was a hugh public event. It was the introduction into 32 bit computing. It is something like 64 bit being introduced now. There will be issues with this type of milestone.
Posted by Mike, 07 Nov 2009
Horrible article
Vista Capable isn't even a product unless you count marketing propoganda as a "product".
Posted by Anon, 07 Nov 2009
So many people are just blabbing
In reality, whether you think they are bad products or not, Microsoft has maintained quite a significant market share even till this day of apple coolness. It is easy to condemn certain products but really, windows 95? I think the writer did not do his research.
With Microsoft's market share, all can say is, like comcast, Microsoft is just another company that people love to hate even though they claim there are other choices. I dont get it. But I guess its just cause we are human.
Posted by taz, 07 Nov 2009
Win 2K
Why is no-one mentioning windows 2000 as one of the best ever? If we're talking about stability for working then it's a must _ remember its the ancestor of XP. I gave it away as much as I could to ppl banging their head on the wall because of Me and was able to play on it with some SP and MPClassic for multimedia...
Posted by Chris H., 07 Nov 2009
windows 95
Yeah, I don't think windows 95 should be on there either. I have fond memories of using it. :)
Posted by Rockabye, 07 Nov 2009
Oooopss! Forgot a Bunch!
This article is a good first take on MS blunders but there are a whole lot of omissions. MS's weakness has historically been software design. How about:
-- COM - could they have made this thing any slower and more difficult to use? BSTR? VARIANT wtf
-- Win32 - just try figuring this thing out. Win32 shows that MS documentation is vague for a reason - they don't know how it works either!
-- MFC - well, thank god for STL, eh?
-- All MS File Systems (for idiotic disk management schemes). Dudes, you can't manage disk as if it were RAM and expect it to perform.
Posted by Toaster, 08 Nov 2009
ME - OS with an unspecified disease
ME was horrible. It was pre-loaded on my first new PC (previously used 95 & 98 on laptops and 2nd-hand boxes) and it nearly switched me off from computing.
Thankfully I discovered Win2000 and have since gone on to teach IT. I did not change to XP until SP2 and having recently bought another new PC; I suffered Vista crashes for no more than a few days before switching to a Win7 beta.
Vista would appear to be the new ME; but they gave it the wrong medication.
Posted by S Meer, 08 Nov 2009
Agree with the Exchange comment below but...
.. its not really 'customer facing' like the products in this top 10.
Posted by PaulW, 08 Nov 2009
Vista Ultimate
You might have wanted to call out Ultimate; the lack of extras it ever gave, and now the fact that Vista Ultimate to Windows 7 requries yet again Ulitmate OR a whole new install.
Posted by Peter Thomas, 08 Nov 2009
Office 2007 vs. Clippy
The Office 2007 interface is so awful, I've found myself wishing I could _enable_ Clippy so it could tell me where the most basic functions are located. Given this damning evidence, Office 2007 should be higher on the list than Clippy, Q.E.D.
Posted by Dan, 08 Nov 2009
ME, the last time I gave M$ money
They stole my hard earned cash for this substandard software and hid behind their EULA rather than refund me. Ever since I've done ALL my computing with open source software and never looked back. Thanks Bill
Posted by Llew, 08 Nov 2009
Microsoft mistakes
Bill Gates was born.
Long live Apple
Posted by David French, 08 Nov 2009
Vista works OK
Vista is about the same as my XP rigs , gaming wise and I already am now using Vista 64 to game with no problems. As much as I would like to "upgrade" , 7 really has nothing much to show me after trying the release. Vista is mostly fixed and I have invested in ram to make it a practical OS. Not happy but Pragmatism must rule here. Buying an OS every 2 years is ridiculous.
Posted by lobsta21, 09 Nov 2009
Every second version?
When you say that every second version of Windows was good or bad depending on where you start counting, I need to take a small exception to your progression. Although XP may have technically followed Me, it was really the next version of NT, not 9x. If you look at it that way, and count backwards, with XP being good, then Windows 2000 Pro would have been a bad version, and NT4 a good one, etc. I used all three and never had any real issues with any, insofar as a Windows experience is concerned.
Posted by Picayun, 09 Nov 2009
What a waste
Both writers not doing enough homework and survey. What a retarded article.
Posted by MoSE, 09 Nov 2009
Never installed ME/Vista
Never installed ME or Vista, so got that right. Installed 7 out of curiosity on my Laptop that ran XP fine for years. Now it seem I need to change my router becaue of IPv6 (DNS lookup is low or fails) got 3 BSOD's in the same DLL in 3 weeks, Got 2 complete blank (black) screens and system hanged, file deletion is slow and opening programs sometimes takes forever you never know if 7 started the program or not) , No, 7 is not better than XP. Graphically itare great. Functionality wise it not good. I need my PC for business, not for playing an artist.
Posted by N. One, 09 Nov 2009
Win 95 - you called that wrong!
Windows 95 C was as good as Windows got for a number of years. Your issues are mostly done with rose tinted glasses! In 95, you had Windows for Workgroups and then Windows 95 came out - it was 100% better. OK, DOS 6.22 was easier for those of us who had learnt from the command line, but Win95 introduced a whole world to the PC!
Now, I am no M$ fan, but I know when someone is being unfair - Maybe you should have considered putting Windows 2 in the list, or DOS 7 or maybe Bing - or would that have involved not being lazy?!
Posted by F0ul, 09 Nov 2009
Not W95 but Office 2007
You should have put there Office 2007. I remember I installed it and it took me 3 days to figure out where the heck was the "save as" function. I have seen many people that praise Office 2007 and later seen them embarrassed as they cannot found the button or option they are looking for. Changing the interface after so many years was plain wrong.
On the other hand, I remember Windows 95; it generated some polemic, but it was not even comparable to the one for Vista; even XP, on its moment was considered one of the worst M$ mistakes; we just have been too long with it. When w95 went out, it was so different but also, it performed so well and I think it really influenced to bust to the www. I installed it in a 486/33DX with 8Mb of ram; a machine I had since 1993.
Posted by Poto, 09 Nov 2009
You forgot Word 6 and Publisher
Word 6 was a complete disaster, completely changing the way things worked and throwing away lots of useful capabilities (e.g. linked files with global pagination). And Publisher has to be the apogee of page layout programs; so many bad things to say about it I won't even try.
Posted by Old Computer Duhde, 10 Nov 2009
XP was the last M$ product I used
After trying Vista I switched to Ubuntu and I do not regret. There is nothing in Windows that is better then good Linux distribution.
Posted by Alex, 10 Nov 2009
ME the worst? hardly
I ran ME for years, found very little instability. It all came down to the people running it, how they set their system up, and how they went about using it. Same as you got poor results using win95 as you did 3.11, you got the same things with ME.
Posted by flobert, 10 Nov 2009
Office 2007 must be in the worst 5
Both Office 2007 and Word 6 deserve mention for the way they suddenly meant your colleagues could no longer open the files you sent them - but the awful non-intuitive interface on Office 2007 wins it, if only for breaking the old adage "if it ain't broke don't fix it" so badly.
Mind you, the version control in Word 6 which meant you were at risk of losing all the versions of your work also means it runs close to getting in the top 10.
Posted by Connie Craven, 12 Nov 2009
Clippy the Microsoft Office Assistant
"Looks like you are reading an Article about me, would you like help with that"
How we hated him.
Then there was Blinx, a mascot game character for the XBOX, to match Mario and Sonic.
Ha ha these guys are waiting in hell for the truly wicked.
Posted by Mo Patel, 13 Nov 2009
Office 2007
What a DOG!
Office 97 was great, 2000 was a let-down, 2002 not a lot better, 2003 was brilliant but what on Earth made MS produce the hideous pile of garbage that is Office 2007 - that disgusting ribbon interface really drives me and most of my students to distraction. Bring back the menus - people understand WORDS not ridiculous stupid little icons! It is SO BAD that I installed Ribbon Customizer at home to make it usable.
Posted by Ron Hagley, 14 Nov 2009
You other lists are good, this one needs work
I have been in IT over 25 years.
Vista should have been #1 on your list. That is clear to many.
I have installed WinMe on hundreds of machines. It ran faster than XP on low powered, older systems fine. People just didn't understand it and how to configure.
Win95 was flawed but still was revolutionary. It put a stop to Apple and Netscape. This is back when Microsoft was very savvy in taking down competitors (Novell, Wordperfect, etc.).
If you're going to shun Me and 95, you may have well added NT to the list, instead of Vista twice. And you forgot UAC if you're going to breakout technologies such as Bob.
Thanks for trying.
I'll move on to your other lists now...
Posted by wewa, 14 Nov 2009
negative
what a load of negatives without microsoft where would we be you have to have some failures.
Posted by Rog, 22 Nov 2009
Once upon a time..
We all were young and energetic! We could do all with our all abilities and aimed for. When others look at the things with their own views it will look different. But we all do our job and go away from the world. Even forgetted, may be leaving critics and people would have praised the work we did. These all apply to the technologies too. they came with intentions, they were accepted or hated. But they were there for the intention and have given boost to better to come. We all must honour all of them as they have done something better to uplift our ambitions.
Posted by fun enjoy, 24 Nov 2009
Windows rubbish
ME was ok at least I had no problems with it, Office 2003 was brilliant but 2007 is diabolical. I've been struggling with it since it first came out & havn't got to grips with it yet. I'm sure it would be much better with proper menus instead of the crazy technicolour ribbon strips. If I ever have to do manything important I use my laptop which still has 2003 on it. Microisoft woud do well to totally seperate their home & business products so that us poor home users do not keep getting lumbered with over sophisticated products having loads of features the home user neither wants nor needs. That way they wouldn't have to keep updating every few months. Having said that don't suggest works because that should be included in any list of microsoft rubbish.
Posted by R.Fielding, 24 Nov 2009
Stopped Apple and Netscape?
wewa have you been in a lead mine for 20 years? Apple is doing better than ever despite the continual copying by Micro$oft, or maybe because of it.
The Netscape evolutionary successor, Firefox, is eating Internet Explorer's lunch. IN the computer savvy-portion of the market, it has already beaten IE into a soggy sandwich. And you claim to be an IT expert?
Posted by James Smith, 26 Nov 2009
Window 95 and Vista
Couldn't you see both as forerunners for the following Windows versions, which were of acceptable quality?
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Posted by Bent, 29 Nov 2009
Windows 7 Starter...
...seams to be a contender for "The silliest way to cut corners award".
* You're not able to change the image on your desktop - HELLO! - Well it's a register hack, so it's reversible.
* You can't play commercial DVD's - OK, so it's marketed towards Netbooks and the likes, but - HELLO! - well fortunately there's VLC.
Posted by !#, 07 Dec 2009